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Im thinking of getting some sort of limited slip rear and gears. Everything Im seeing is in the $1K range for the 8" rear.
So instead of dumping that cash into the 8", Im researching the 9" route.
Couple of questions:
-Anyone know for sure the 64-65 Comet 8" rear width? Im seeing different numbers online. And Im too lazy to go lay on the cold garage floor. :oops:
-Any input on the 57-59 Ford Ranchero/full size axle/housing width? Is it a direct swap as far as width goes?
-And if I did find a small bearing housing that was the same length as my original 8", could I re-use the axles that are in my stock rear in the 9"?

Im approaching this from a budget standpoint. Ideally Id like to buy a built 3.55:1 28 spline chunk with a limited slip, and a used housing that is the exact length I need.
Any info on housing and axle shaft narrowing?

I need to get off this freakin' internet and read a book! :?
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Joe;57,58,59 Ford rear is a bolt in,spring perches will work.Your brakes and axles will work to,you will need the u-bolts and spring plates.I know some people say the wagons and Rancheros have big bearing axles,I have yet to find this to be true,pulled a 9" out of a 9 passenger wagon,small bearings! ROY.
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I mentioned this before that I have bought 3 different 9 inch rearends out of 59 and 60 Thunderbirds. They are the right width and have big bearings. The problem is that you have to move the spring perches and use the T-bird brakes. No big deal, just want to point that out.
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Hey Joe, Atlas auto salvage has one for $450 in Hesperia. Pearson's has one from a 59 wagon for $350 over in Ridgecrest. Guy in Downey has complete nine inch small tube like 65 Hipos had for $695 with brakes and everything. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/pt ... 39521.html
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Sorry for the delay...first weekend of the month...I was out playing with govt. airplanes with the other weekend warriors.Image

Thanks for all the info guys! Boss, what the heck...you'd think you were out here scouring the junk yards on the weekends! Thanks Im going to follow some of those leads. And I have a Ford buddy in Ridgecrest too!


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I do try to hit at least 1 junkyard on every vacation I go on. Pearson's was one of my favorites. Lots of dry, solid 60's cars. At least back in the early nineties that's what they had. Never been to Atlas, but my buddy owns a junkyard and I did a search on his computer.
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Cool, I just searched both those yards websites and turned up nothing.
I might give them a call this week.

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The one at Atlas (stock number 060410) should be a bolt in, from a 57 Ford with 3.10 gear. Like the one Roy talked about, just need u-bolts and perches everything else bolts into place. The one at Pearson's (stock number 51756) may be a big bearing, I am not sure, worth checking out though, its out of a 59 wagon.
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I put a 9" from a 69 cougar in the back of my comet to move it around in my shop. Width seemed to be same as stock. The guy I bought it off said it came out of his 69 cougar parts car.
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tweaked wrote:I put a 9" from a 69 cougar in the back of my comet to move it around in my shop. Width seemed to be same as stock. The guy I bought it off said it came out of his 69 cougar parts car.
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If it was an original 69 cougar rearend the width should be wider by just over an inch on each side. Probably not too noticeable with 5 inch wide steel rims and 195-75-14 tires on it.
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They where stock 5 inch rims.
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the 57-59 9" as mentioned is a direct bolt in. the rear is 1/4" wider than the stock 8". as Roy mentioned it has the small bearings and 28 spline axles. ok for limited street use but needs upgraded for stronger motors. I have one in my comet but is temp in the stock config until it can be upgraded from bearings, axles and pumpkin. will probablly take it out and cut down another later one I have, to use the larger Torino bearings and 31 spline axles.

the early bronco is slightly shorter but you have to deal with moving the perches and the 5 on 5 axles.

here's some 9" info that might help

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9" rear axle lengths
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• 65-66 Mustang 57.25 inches
• 67-70 Mustang 59.25 inches
• 71-73 Mustang 61.25 inches
• 77-81 Versailles 58.50 inches
• 67-73 Mustang, Torino, Ranchero, Fairlane 9" 59.25 inches to 61.25 inches
• 57-59 Ranchero and station wagon rears, 57.25 inches
• 66-77 Bronco 9", 58 inches
• 77-81 Granada/Versailles, 58 inches
• 67-71 Comet, Cougar, Mustang, Fairlane, 59.25 inches
• 71-73 Mustang, 61.25 inches
• 64 Falcon 58 inches
• 67 Cougar 60 inches
• 67 Fairlane 63.50 inches (coil springs)
• 72 Ford Van 3/4 ton 68 inches
• 73-86 65.25 inches
• 57-59 Ranchero and station wagon 57.25 iches (narrowest 9" housing)
• 66-77 Bronco 58 inches but has 5-on-5 1/2 inch diameter bolt circle
• 67-73 Torinos, Rancheros, Fairlanes 59.25 inches or 61.25 inches
• 67-71 Comets, Cougars, Fairlanes 59.25 inches
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Where to find the 9" rear axle
• 67-73 medium and big block Mustangs and Cougars
• 66-71 Fairlanes, Torinos, Montegos, Comets, and other Ford intermediates with big blocks
• 57-59 V8 Fords and Mercurys
• 77-81 Lincoln Versailles & Trucks
• 70-72 F100 2WD Trucks
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Type of 9" axle housings
• 67-73 Mustang/Cougar - light duty, thinnest housing material, small axle bearings, 28 and 31 splines
• 57-68 passenger car and 1/2 ton truck - medium duty, stronger than Mustang type, 28 and 31 splines
• Ranchero/Torino - heavy duty thick wall housing, 3.25 inch diameter axle tubes with flat tops
• 69-77 Galaxies (coils), Lincolns (coils), and late pickups (leaf)- 3.25 inche dimeter all the way to the backing plate, coil housings have upper control arm mount
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How to recognize 9" housing centres
• 57 - no dimples, flat center band up the center of the rear cover, bottom drain plug
• 58-59 - two dimples on back of housing, flat center band, some had drain holes
• 60-67 - two dimples, flat center band, oil level hole in back cover
• 63-77 Lincoln, LTD, Thunderbirds had 9.375 inch centers, housings were cut away at the gasket surface for ring gear clearance, one curved rib at the front top portion of differential, strong but no gears
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Types of 9" Axles
• 28 spline axles cannot be shortened and resplined (they're tapered)
• 72 and earlier 31 spline axles have the ability to be shortened
• 73 and later 9" (cars) have a 5-on-5 bolt circle and the axles cannot be shortened
• 67-73 Mustang axles identified by wheel flange:
o oval hole - 28 splines
o two large holes and counter sunk center - 31 splines
I have been told that a complete 9" rear axle weighs an even 200 lbs. It weighed 168 minus drums. This is a complete 9" with center section, brakes, everything. It was 56" wide from backing plate to plate. It's the small web housing with the tapered tubes found on early Mustangs. Included in the weight is a non nodular center section, gutted carrier with mini spool, 28 spline non-tapered axles and 10" finned drums.
As a side note, a 9" complete rear axle is approximately 35 pounds heavier than an 8.8 rear axle with approximately the same components.
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Alan;that is the list I have,just could not find it!! Need to organize this mess!!! ROY.
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CALIFORNIA CALIENTE wrote:Alan;that is the list I have,just could not find it!! Need to organize this mess!!! ROY.
here's another one with a little more info. pretty good info for changing axle splines and good i.d. info.

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Housing Identification
• 57 - no dimples, flat center band up the center of the rear cover, bottom drain plug.
• 58-59 - two dimples on back of housing, flat center band, some had drain holes.
• 60-67 - two dimples, flat center band, oil level hole in back cover.
• 63-77 Lincoln, LTD, Thunderbirds had 9.375 inch centers, housings were cut away at the gasket surface for ring gear clearance, one curved rib at the front top portion of differential, strong but no aftermarket gear sets.
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Strength - There are four usable styles you can find in a junk yard. They range from light duty to extreme duty but in all cases the larger 31 spline axle versions are stronger than the 28 spline version of the same unit.
• The 67-73 Mustang type is considered light duty uses both axles.
• The 57-68 early passenger car and half-ton pickup rear end is considered a medium duty unit and came in both 28 and 31 spline axles.
• The 70-79 Ranchero/Torino are considered a high performance unit again being produced with both 28 and 31 spline axles.
• The 69-77 Galaxie/Lincoln and 73-86 half-ton pickup used both size axles and the 31 spline version should be considered the strongest available and can be used for extreme duty applications.

There are two ways that are used to measure a 9" rear end. The first is to measure from the wheel mounting surface to the same place on the other side. This is the most consistent way as it gives you the distance between the wheel mounting points. The second way is to measure the flange on the housing that the backing plate and axle retaining flange bolt to. This way is not as accurate. The reason that it isn't is because there are different thicknesses of brake shoes that cause the backing plates to move in or out to accommodate the shoe thickness.
Width: from wheel mounting flange
to wheel mounting flange (X) Width: from housing flange
to housing flange (Y)
• 1957-59 Ford - 57 1/4"
• 60-64 Ford 61 1/4"
• 57-59 Ranchero and SW - 57 1/4"
• 1964-71 Full sized cars - 61"
• 1979-81 Lincoln Versailles - 58 1/2"
• 1972-79 Ford intermediate & Full Size - 63"
• 70-79 Ranchero/Torino - 63"
• 57-72 F-100 Pickup - 61 1/4"
• 73-86 F-150 Pickup/78-86 Bronco - 65-65 1/4"
• 66-77 Bronco - 58"
• 1977-86 Ford E-150 - 69 1/4"
• 77-81 Granada/Versailles - 58 1/2"
• 67-70 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane/Comet/Falcon - 59 1/4"*
• 70-73 Mustang family - 61 1/4"*
• 69-77 Galaxie/Lincoln - information not given but in any case it will need to be narrowed for use in a street rod. • 57-59 Ford/Edsel - 52"
• 60-64 Ford/Mercury - 54-56"




• 70-79 Ranchero/Torino - 56"
• 57-72 F-100 pickup - 57"
• 73-86 F-150 pickup/78-86 Bronco - 58 3/4"
• 66-77 Bronco - 46"


• 67-70 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane/Comet/Falcon - 52-54"
• 70-73 Mustang family - 54"

• 58-60 Thunderbird - 50"
• 65-66 Mustang - 52"
• 66-69 Cyclone - 52"
• 61-67 Thunderbird - 56"


X in the picture about denotes the measurements listed above left. Y in picture above denotes the measurements listed above right
* Denotes a gray area involving some of the earlier parts being found on 70 Model year cars.
Note:After 1970 all axles were the 31 spline style big axles. For 28 spline units the last 4 inchs were machined down for the 28 spline ends. If you shorten the axles more than 4 inches they are big enough to take 31 spline.
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Conversion from 28 Spline to 31 Spline | Back to top
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To change the third member to 31 spline, the only parts needed are the differential side gears, they are available from Ford, about $20 apiece. The other part of the conversion is the carrier bearing size. There are two carrier bearing inside bore sizes, and two carrier bearing outside bore sizes. There are three possible combinations, small ID-small OD , large ID-small OD , and large ID-large OD. Factory 31 spline axles came with the last two bearing configurations, but not with the first. On 28 spline carriers, the axle bore on some of them are not large enough to allow the 31 spline axles to pass through. The carriers with the large ID bearings can be bored out to use the 31 spline axles. Not a precision job, just big enough for the axle to pass through, I use a cut off end from a 31 spline axle to check when it's large enough. I takes less than an hour to do both sides, and could be done at a vocational school by a novice. The small ID bearings won't have enough material left for reliability if bored out for 31 spline axles. Also if your housing has the small axle bearings, you will have to have axles custom made, as there are no factory axles with 31 splines, and small axle bearings. Both the large axle bearing, and the extra large axle bearing (some F150 trucks) had 31 spline factory applications. From about 1970 on, the big Fords, Mercury's, and Lincoln's has axles big enough to respline with 31 splines if they are shortened about 4" per side. Both 4 1/2" and 5" bolt patterns are available. If you want to redrill to a 4 3/4" Chevy bolt pattern, use truck axles, as there is more room for the new pattern without hitting the other holes. The drum pilot may have to be turned down, depending on the drum used. The Chevy drums of corresponding size to the ford brakes will fit if the pilot is turned down.
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Converting manual adjusters to later model auto-adjuster brakes | Back to top
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Use Wagner #283 shoes, drilled for the self adjuster mechanism, use Wagner self adjuster kit F98370/1, and wagner Combikit F87351. That should supply all the parts you need. These parts are listed for a F100 with 11" by 1 3/4" brakes.
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Daytona Pinions first available on with 63-64 427 full size cars, and other rare ultra Hi-po cars.
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