Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
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Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
Hi Guys
Not a Comet, but you guys will know the answer
Im just sealing a deal on a 1969 Mach 1 for my brother. Its described (and has a Marti) as an "M" code which is the 4v Cleveland.
But my contact in California has described it as a "Windsor"! But I think he is just confused ?!?!
Can anyone who knows please confirm this is a Cleveland motor
Cheers Al
Not a Comet, but you guys will know the answer
Im just sealing a deal on a 1969 Mach 1 for my brother. Its described (and has a Marti) as an "M" code which is the 4v Cleveland.
But my contact in California has described it as a "Windsor"! But I think he is just confused ?!?!
Can anyone who knows please confirm this is a Cleveland motor
Cheers Al
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Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
I think its me getting confused
Did some more searching online and it looks like the M code was a Windsor in 69 and a Cleveland in 1970!
Did some more searching online and it looks like the M code was a Windsor in 69 and a Cleveland in 1970!
Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
Believe that is a Windsor.
Cleveland coolant does not go into the manifold, it goes into the block... but I have never owned a Cleveland, so don't bet the farm on me.
Cleveland coolant does not go into the manifold, it goes into the block... but I have never owned a Cleveland, so don't bet the farm on me.
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Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
Cheers guys, yeah just got the Marti.
It was my lack of knowledge lol
It was my lack of knowledge lol
Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
Early ‘70’s Mustangs had the Windsor, later in the production run they changed to the Cleveland. Two completely different engines that share nothing but the displacement size. The picture you posted is a Windsor but it is difficult to determine if it is a 351 or a 302. (Or a 221,260, 289!)
Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
Looks like a 351w . wider taller intake,kinda wraps around the dist. 351 firing order is another clue. another clue is that long bolt thru the ps pump bracket goes into a small bracket on the head of a 351. on a shorter decked 302 it goes in that top hole of the head, where you see the top bolt of the small bracket .A/FX wrote:Early ‘70’s Mustangs had the Windsor, later in the production run they changed to the Cleveland. Two completely different engines that share nothing but the displacement size. The picture you posted is a Windsor but it is difficult to determine if it is a 351 or a 302. (Or a 221,260, 289!)
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Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
See! I knew ya'll know the answer
It was my fault, my contact told me it was an "M" code. I said is that a Cleveland (as my last Mach was a 351C), he said no its a Windsor. So i presumed he was mistaken, looked online and the M code come back as a Cleveland So thats when I put the question to you guys
I then since found that the M code was available as a C & a W
Normal service resumed
Anyhow I have agreed to buy the car on behalf of my brother, so everyone's happy
Pics for interest
It was my fault, my contact told me it was an "M" code. I said is that a Cleveland (as my last Mach was a 351C), he said no its a Windsor. So i presumed he was mistaken, looked online and the M code come back as a Cleveland So thats when I put the question to you guys
I then since found that the M code was available as a C & a W
Normal service resumed
Anyhow I have agreed to buy the car on behalf of my brother, so everyone's happy
Pics for interest
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Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
WHEN all else fails ,the very best way to tell a C from a W,when you walk up to it is by looking at the fuel pump.....a C has the bolts in the 12 n 6 o'clock pos..where as a W HAS THEM side by side just like a 289,302...there is several other ways but the fuel pump is the best if ever in doubt.....pop
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Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
It is definately a Windsor,I have a 351 CLEVELAND in my 1965 Comet.Andy
Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
I will ask this here because this got me to thinking about something.
You all know I am not too knowledgeable on the V8 stuff but this comes from what my dad always was looking for in a SBF. My dad grew up in the 50s and by the 60's he was married and had 3 kids to feed (all of around 22yrs old when I came along, the last of 3) so pretty much was past his wild days and if you were to cut my dad he would bleed Ford Blue. I learned most of my mechanical stuff from him and we swapped a few engines, etc. growing up, he always wanted a Cleveland motor, I don't remember ever asking why, so what was the advantages he saw to that over the Windsor? It seemed to me it had something to do with the oiling system/valve design but again I can't recall, he may of just not liked Canadians
See Ya,
Mike
You all know I am not too knowledgeable on the V8 stuff but this comes from what my dad always was looking for in a SBF. My dad grew up in the 50s and by the 60's he was married and had 3 kids to feed (all of around 22yrs old when I came along, the last of 3) so pretty much was past his wild days and if you were to cut my dad he would bleed Ford Blue. I learned most of my mechanical stuff from him and we swapped a few engines, etc. growing up, he always wanted a Cleveland motor, I don't remember ever asking why, so what was the advantages he saw to that over the Windsor? It seemed to me it had something to do with the oiling system/valve design but again I can't recall, he may of just not liked Canadians
See Ya,
Mike
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Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
"M" code in 1969 would be 351 Windsor for 4V carb. engine appears to be windsor.The Transplanter wrote:Hi Guys
Not a Comet, but you guys will know the answer
Im just sealing a deal on a 1969 Mach 1 for my brother. Its described (and has a Marti) as an "M" code which is the 4v Cleveland.
But my contact in California has described it as a "Windsor"! But I think he is just confused ?!?!
Can anyone who knows please confirm this is a Cleveland motor
Cheers Al
Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
Yep & if nothing else the intake manifold bolts are a dead giveaway. That & no Cleveland’s ‘til ‘70!!!barrys65cyclone wrote:"M" code in 1969 would be 351 Windsor for 4V carb. engine appears to be windsor.The Transplanter wrote:Hi Guys
Not a Comet, but you guys will know the answer
Im just sealing a deal on a 1969 Mach 1 for my brother. Its described (and has a Marti) as an "M" code which is the 4v Cleveland.
But my contact in California has described it as a "Windsor"! But I think he is just confused ?!?!
Can anyone who knows please confirm this is a Cleveland motor
Cheers Al
Re: Please identify Cleveland or Windsor???
I always check the valve covers first if they are pointing up not at an angle then look closer for the other clues.
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